Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
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04/13/2005.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 1, 2020 21:22:59 GMT -8
Elena thought about what Taehoon described, "demisexualidad. It's not a common word though. I'm not sure I've ever met someone who identified as demisexual." She realized that maybe she was asking too many questions, but she had so many more.
"Please tell me if my questions are making you uncomfortable. Is it difficult to translate a friendship to a relationship?" she asked. She was now very happy that she'd made it clear to Seojin that she was attracted to her in a sexual way, because she'd hate to try and have to navigate the waters of friendship and worry about damaging that friendship.
She addressed the leg work, "regardless of whether I can support you or not, I'd like to be here when you teach Josh-oppa just so I can make sure he holds you right," Elena said. She backed up to the wall, resting her back against it, "I also think it would be worth just showing him the style so he knows what he's getting into. It can be intense. Now, if I can support you, I'm going to try turning you to the right, you'll need to come up to help turn, then back down, okay?"
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 1, 2020 21:41:38 GMT -8
Taehoon shrugged and said, "It's not that common. I didn't figure it out myself for years and years, since it just wasn't relevant most of the time. Had a friend I talked to about it not that long ago who helped me sort out some of the details. I've not actually explained it that many times yet."
Taehoon shrugged again and added, "I'm honestly probably not the right person to ask about relationships. I've got minimal experience and that leads me to the answer of it seems to depend on the person."
He nodded and said, "Yes, I'd like to have you here. You know these particular dances better than I do, and having someone to help with the basics would be very useful. I don't know how busy you'll be though."
He easily let her take the lead on the dance, following what she was proposing and going through some of the basic steps and turns, clearly knowing the basics of what he was doing well. He said, "My teacher was the kind of teacher who told us that for paired dances, you didn't know it until you knew both sides. So she made all the guys in the class wear heals and do the follow part for a few weeks, a bunch of the guys complained about it, but mostly because they were being idiots. Some of us kept practicing it both ways because she was right, it made us better dancers, plus, a lot of the times the follows get to do the fun parts."
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
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Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 1, 2020 21:49:07 GMT -8
Elena nodded her understanding, "well I'm glad you found something you could identify with, and I will support you and your love any way I can. Is it Josh?" She sighed at herself, going too far again.
Instead, she grabbed onto Taehoon's leg and used it to turn him, through a few steps. "You've got great balance, I should have no problem helping you." She turned so she was no longer against the wall and continued some of the spins away from it back towards the center of the room.
"Are you planning to create your own choreo from scratch?" Elena asked, helping Taehoon to step out of the splits with another well-executed turn. "I'd love to help however and whenever I can. I live for this kind of stuff."
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 1, 2020 21:58:06 GMT -8
Taehoon sighed, figuring that with context it was obvious enough. He said, "Josh-hyung isn't the one who talked me through understanding stuff."
He figured that she'd probably hear the, but he is the one I am interested in. He knew that their shipping numbers had surged after their first win, and he was more OK with that than he probably should be in terms of them not getting found out. But then again, this choreo was going to be blatant enough if you looked at it with the right eyes.
Taehoon enjoyed the chance to follow the pattern of the music that he'd left playing in the background along with the steps that Elena led him through. She understood the feel of the music better than he did, clearly. She'd be a useful resource.
As she helped him back out of the split, he replied, "Yes, this is going to be choreography from scratch. That's what I do for this sort of thing. I'm starting to be one of the main choreographers for the company. I work with Tai and Seojin on a lot of choreography, but this won't be their strong suit. I'll appreciate having your help."
As they continued moving through steps, Taehoon started adding some flourishes, showing off that he knew what he was doing with leg work, but also trying out some ideas while he had a chance. He was careful to keep their balance in mind and pay attention to where Elena was leading them.
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 1, 2020 22:13:28 GMT -8
Elena could see her train wreck of curiosity heading straight for her mouth but was helpless to stop it, "I mean is Josh the one you like? The one you're dating?" She sighed, "I promise I tried to stop that one."
She was fascinated that Taehoon seemed to have such an important role in the company. "How do you manage to be a Yuseong member and a choreographer?" She stepped in, pulling him closer. "You're going to want to add quite a bit of the intertwining stuff," she said, demonstrating it, weaving her feet in timed steps in and around his legs and even going between his legs with her entire body.
"I'm not sure which of you will be more comfortable doing that, but it's a lot about feel. Even what I just did wasn't the best because I was trying to do it very technically. It should be something more like this, take my hands," she said as she demonstrated the move as it should be performed. There was a lot more fluidity and perceived sexual tension and drama to it.
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
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Authored by Etienne.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 1, 2020 22:45:38 GMT -8
Taehoon sighed, trying to figure out the best way to answer that question that wouldn't put Josh-hyung on the spot in a weird way. He said, "Let's just say that Josh-hyung is the only person I'd be interested in actually doing the choreography that I'm working on with."
Taehoon chuckled and told her, "Dreams Ent is a tiny company which means that they operate under the rule of if someone has the skills use them because it means you don't have to hire an outside person. Kangwan-ie and Shihyun write songs, so does Tai for that matter. I choreograph, along with Seojin and Tai. They had a lead choreographer from outside for your debut, but I think partially because they wanted to invest in a choreographer with name value. A bunch of us work on lyrics. The VP is our main song producer. Hell, half the time for minor appearances, Yuseong just ends up doing each other's makeup, which mostly means I do everyone else's make up and Josh does mine."
He wondered if she'd just been familiar with big companies backstage stuff before she auditioned. He added, "I came in from a dance background too, so I already knew the basics of how to choreograph before I even did my military service, which was before joining the company."
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 1, 2020 22:59:20 GMT -8
Elena took Taehoon's explanation to mean that he and Josh were dating but he neither wanted to confirm or deny that, so she could let that matter rest.
"That was a lot of names, so it sounds like everyone does everything, go it," she said.
"Did you want to work on some drags? What kind of drags were you thinking of and what did you think about that slinky footwork? I would really like to see you piece this together." She'd never seen someone choreograph something from scratch, so she was excited to be part of the process this time and maybe even learn something.
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Etienne.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 2, 2020 1:03:25 GMT -8
Taehoon nodded and said, "Yeah, everyone sort of does a lot of everything within their skill sets."
Taehoon smiled as they focused back on dance a bit and said, "Yeah, I'd definitely like to work on some drags. I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for, though I know I've seen some dancers do drags where they're not facing each other, which would be choreographically useful in this context. You're seeing the very first step right now for me, which is immersing myself in figuring out ways that I like to work together moves. I don't have the finished song yet, but I've heard the rough cuts of some parts, and I wrote the lyrics, so I know the message. I talked with the person doing the music about the sort of tone and musical style that I wanted, so I know what the aim is, but I can't finalize anything without the finished music, so I'm just sort of playing with parts right now."
He realized that she'd asked another question and added, "The slinky intertwined footwork was interesting, though I'm not sure it's quite what I'd be going for, at the very least not until near the end of the song. This would be more of the push and pull that you can get in samba, where you're going in and out of hold."
He watched her reaction to see if he'd given a reasonable explanation.
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 2, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -8
"Can I hear what music you have so far?" Elena asked. She didn't want to step on Taehoon's toes regarding choreography, but if she could offer any suggestions, she wanted to help.
"Did you want to watch a few random routines and practice those so you have a feel for those elements?" she asked. "Do you know when the song will be finished?"
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Etienne.
Offline.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 2, 2020 11:21:46 GMT -8
Taehoon laughed and said, "So many questions. I can't show you the music yet because I've only heard parts of it in studio, I've not got files for it. I do have the lyrics though, if seeing those would help."
He was a little antsy about the idea of showing someone else the lyrics, but the circle of people who had seen them was slowly expanding, and the CEO had approved them, much to Taehoon's surprise. He knew that he was dancing a fine line with this song, and the choreography was just another element of that.
He added, "I've been watching routines, so I've got a decent number of ideas, but seeing them in person helps for sure. If you have recommendations of good routines with push and pull tension though, I'm all for that."
He thought about what he knew about the timing for things and said, "Josh-hyung and I need to be ready to start seriously working on it around the time I finish promotions for my solo song. I'm trying to get a head start on prepping choreo though. So the song will probably be ready by or before the end of the month. We don't have a firm release date yet, since I think the CEO is waiting partially to see how tight on the heels of my solo promotion he wants to put the duet release, probably depending on how well that does."
Taehoon was definitely still finding it weird that he was accumulating all this promotion time, though it made a certain degree of sense. He and Josh-hyung were the ones who would provide group continuity with Shihyun and Kangwan eventually having to do their military services and Qiwang having the possibility of returning to Taiwan when he finished with school and their current contract.
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 2, 2020 11:37:02 GMT -8
"Yes, sorry, I'm naturally very curious," Elena said.
"Can I see the lyrics? I think those would help," she pulled out her cell phone, she'd only gotten it a few days before, "can I have your number? That way I can send you clips of things I find?"
"I'm surprised they have you doing so much so quickly," she stood behind him and used her hands to give him a light percussive massage on his shoulders, "you need to make sure you take care of yourself. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Don't burn yourself out."
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Etienne.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 2, 2020 12:21:33 GMT -8
Taehoon smiled and said, "It's not a bad thing. Just amusing."
He glanced at her phone and told her his number at a slow enough pace that she'd be able to get it put in. He said, "Just don't send me blocks of text, video clips would be great."
He stretched a little bit and told her, "It's honestly less to juggle with a smaller number of people promoting. The CEO is capitalizing on a moment. We finally got a win on a music show years after debut, and I'd been getting a little bit of media attention, so having me do a solo just after is good timing, and it leads into Josh-hyung and my subunit well because he's got higher popularity than I do to begin with. He models more and has some long term hosting slots that he's done. You focus that energy on making sure that the JBN members don't overextend themselves. I know what I'm doing at this point."
He was mostly stalling, talking himself into sharing the lyrics. She was right, it would help her help him, but it would also be telling, he was sure. He sighed and pulled up the lyrics on his phone and held it out for her, hoping that she wouldn't be too blunt about it.
Beside You
Josh: The first time you sat by my side…
Taehoon: You were crying all alone;
The first time you took my hand…
Josh: You were tired and hurt.
Both: I didn’t want you to know;
I didn’t want to show;
Taehoon: That I wanted to hold your hand…
Josh: That I wanted to sit beside you…
Both: That I wanted to walk alongside you.
Taehoon: The second time you sat by my side…
Josh: You were too afraid to ask for help;
The second time you took my hand…
Taehoon: You showed me the way.
Both: I didn’t want you to know;
I didn’t want to show…
Josh: That I wanted to hold your hand;
Taehoon: That I wanted to sit beside you…
Both: That I wanted to walk alongside you.
Josh: We stood back to back,
Facing the world;
Taehoon: If I took your hand,
I could pretend…
Josh: If I sat beside you,
I could pretend…
Taehoon: It was someone else I was reaching for.
Josh: It was someone else I was sitting near.
Both: I didn’t want the world to know;
I didn’t want to show;
That I wanted to hold your hand;
That I wanted to sit beside you;
That I wanted to walk alongside you;
That I wanted to twine our whole worlds together.
Taehoon: If I turned to face you,
I would know...
Josh: If I turned to face you,
They would know…
Both: That I wanted to hold you close,
Never let go,
Keep you safe.
I was too afraid to let you see;
I didn’t want the world to know,
I didn’t want to show,
What I felt in my heart.
Josh: But when I heard the crack in your voice…
Taehoon: But when I saw your tears fall…
Both: I had to turn and see,
I had to take you in my arms,
And comfort you.
Taehoon: We held that secret between us;
Josh: Soft and sweet,
Only for us;
Both: We didn’t want the world to know;
We didn’t want to show;
How I would hold your hand;
How I would sit beside you;
How we had twined our lives together.
((OOC: The 'actual' lyrics are meant to be in Korean, though a few words may be in English.))
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 2, 2020 17:06:39 GMT -8
Elena was torn by the way the company used its employees. She understood it was more cost effective and gave people more experience to do more things, but it also sounded like people were doing too much. The idea of training and promoting for a band song, having a win, then training, releasing and promoting a solo song, while working to create and choreograph a subunit song while still being one of the main choreographers for the new and upcoming band made no sense to her.
"I'm honestly not too sure how I feel about everyone doing so much. It feels a little negligent and abusive on the company's part," she admitted. Maybe it was because she was used to her family being around to support her constantly. It wasn't that she couldn't juggle many things at once, she just knew she didn't have to juggle them alone.
She read the lyrics, realizing that they weren't going to be much of a help to her without music. "You seemed hesitant to show me these, is it because it's your love story? It sounds like it could be. Were you worried about what I'd say? Aren't you planning to release this to the world, publicly?" She knew she was being a little cruel when she said it, but if he was nervous showing her, someone who was obviously open and okay with the idea of him being demisexual and demiromantic, then how was he going to react when all of Korea knew.
"It is very clear that it's a love song about forbidden love, and if samba is going to be part of your choreo and it's going to be you and Josh doing the choreo, there's not going to be any room for interpretation. It kind of sounds like you're trying to come out to the Yuseong fans." Elena said, getting quieter by the end. She felt bad for saying what she'd said, but her mouth was often must faster than her brain. She hoped she hadn't just ended a potential friendship, but understood if she had. She should have kept her mouth shut.
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Kpop Idol.
Demi-romantic/Demi-sexual / queer.
Dating Josh.
01/04/1994.
28.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Etienne.
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Post by Yeo Taehoon on Aug 2, 2020 19:28:46 GMT -8
Taehoon considered what she had said and shook his head. He said, "Plenty of people do basically just the one thing. I don't have to choreograph, I don't have to have a solo and a subunit. They are things that I was given the option to do and jumped on them, and the company certainly isn't objecting, but some of the Yuseong members pretty much just do their stuff as members and that's it. I want to be able to build my choreography credits because the lifespan of an idol career is ephemeral, but a choreographer can keep working much longer, and behind the scenes work like choreography is much more dependent on how good you are. Dancing was all I ever wanted to do as a career, and this is how I build it. This particular point in my career is a little bit time sensitive, which makes it busier."
He shrugged, hoping that the explanation would make sense.
Taehoon had to think about her question about why he was nervous about showing her. He said, "It is personal, but that's not really where the nerves come in. That more comes from it being not ready, not complete. I've never written lyrics before this. But as far as it being clearly a story about a forbidden love, and personal, a lot of things about being queer in Korea operate on a very fine line of plausible deniability. Part of the challenge in this sort of choreo is making it show what it is meant to show to the people who want to see that, and leaving it just symbolic enough that the people who don't want to see it can deny it to themselves. You read the lyrics and see what they're meant to say, but they're just vague enough that if they're discussed publicly as being about a deep, lifelong friendship and overcoming personal difficulty, well, most people will know, but there will be that curtain of plausible deniability. Also, a part of this involves getting it approved to be produced, and a lot of that depends on getting the tone right."
He looked at her trying to see if she followed. He was pretty sure that she was coming from the cultural perspective of a culture that was much much more open about this sort of thing, and so the level of plausible deniability that he was talking about would have been a completely useless clear curtain there. He said, "You're right that it would be very very easy for it to go past that into just completely obvious though, and that's part of the reason that I'm working it out now."
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Dreams Ent Trainee.
Bisexual.
Single.
04/13/2005.
17.
Rooster (Korea)
Authored by Velexa.
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Post by Elena Moon on Aug 2, 2020 19:40:51 GMT -8
"I guess I understand the wanting to become a choreographer thing so you're willing to take on extra work," Elena said, a little resigned at this point. She knew where he was coming from better, but also knew she'd keep an eye out on what she saw the company ask of its idols.
"I don't really understand what you mean by plausible deniability, but maybe it's cultural. But hearing that there needs to be some plausible deniability, that changes the dance completely. I was thinking the entire flavor of the song would be latin, but the lyrics make it sound more like a ballad. So if you're sticking with samba, I'd limit it to maybe a dance break in the middle of the song." Her mind was going now.
She was trying to work in the samba to a song that didn't seem to call for it. It was hard to contribute much without the actual song. "I'd limit the samba part to a single lift, maybe a single drag and but of the push and pull and mostly the footwork in unison, but separate. I think that would give you the most plausible deniability but stay true to the style."
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